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Early cml detection?

Hello all that decided to read this post.

So I was diagnosed with cml in Oct 2018 and I've only had terrible headaches the first couple of weeks when I first started 300m of tasigna daily and my blood has normalized almost completely....
My first concern is when I asked my doctor whether my cml was caught early...she didnt know if it was or not... I'm very confused because I thought the chronic stage WAS the earliest?????

My second concern is has any one else had their platelets in the MILLIONS prior to treatment with NORMAL white blood count AND swollen spleen??? (My platelets are normal now, spleen no longer enlarged and my hemoglobin went from 7.0 to currently 12.0)

I'm worried because I haven't seen the tests done to see how many blasts or fish test or whatever their actually called my doctor monitors the cml activity through the LDH... the cell death or something...

Can some of you lovely people offer some insight on these topics ?

Pretty please

Hello BrittBratt, Where are you being treated as your Haematologist sounds as useless as mine, that's why I am waiting to see a new consultant who just deals with CML.I have never been told about Blasts,PCR tests FISH etc. my spleen was enlarged but I don't know if it has gone back to normal size because nobody has ever bothered to examine me.I have never had enough information it always seems to much trouble for her .I am only one year in I am still learning so can't answer your questions sorry but I think if you supply a bit more information there are some excellent people on here who will reply to you soon .Sounds to me tho that you should change to someone who only deals with CML pretty darn quick too .Hoping you get answers soon ,Regards ,Denise.

Hi, it is hard to say how early it was cought. I do not know your exact results, but it was probably chronic phase, but no one can say how long the disease has been there since discovered. Yes, chronic phase is the first and it could be detected 1 month after chromosome breakage but also 2 or 3 years after that and this cannot be easily distinguish by lab testing... it is only guessing then ... as the biology of each person and his disease is unique somehow. 

Certain types of CML often present with quite lower WBC and higher platelets, it is more often seen in e14a2, but it is not universal. I had 11, 15, 8 thousand WBC at dg and plt 460-660. I do not know what you mean by "millions", but platelets over 1 million could be seen. I think that this crazy blood count forced your haematologist consider myelofibrosis or essential trombocytemia at first.

Younger patients often have larger spleen than older ones at time of the diagnosis. If your blood count is normal or quite normal it is very likely that your spleen is shrinking back to normal size. It is not rare (but not the right way certainly ) that doctors /haematologists do not bother with proper examination if any... 

At the beginning of treatment it is not necessary to monitor fish or pcr. It was used probably to make diagnose along with bone marrow cytology. Blasts indicate later phases, so I think it is not your case, because accelerated phase has blasts in peripherial blood smear too. Now it is necessary to monitor LDH, uric acid, maybe phosphor, kalium as cell death may cause significant increase (depending on exact counts at the beginning) and also check liver and renal function to see what your medication does with them.  do not know exact guidelines in your country, but next bone marrow exam is usually 3 months from the beginning of the treatment. It will show how many cells are still patologic and so... It is sufficient to monitor the disease treatment by blood tests (CBC and biochemic parameters occasionaly) at this phase.

Do not worry. I judge youare responding well accrding to (few) info you posted. If you are concerned, you should tell your doctor at least examine your spleen or make an ultrasound. 

Thank you both so much for your responses. The e14a2 type of cml bit really opened my eyes I had no idea there were different types. I thought it was only the Ph negative or positive groups.

I will do research on the e14a2 type hopefully the information is up to date.

Hi Brittbratt,

You’re post caught my eye as you have similarities and also differences to my particular story and I hope I can help you a little bit with your questions.

Firstly I had never heard of the e14a2 type and finding out new things like that is why I really like this site and find it fascinating. There is a real wealth of information on here and I’m always learning.

At diagnosis I had a very high WBC and low heamaglobin at 8.6. My platelets were normal which is where we differ, but I believe the reason our hb was low is because of the same thing. It was described to me that your body can only produce a finite number of stem cells which go on to become White, Red or platelets. For me the majority of these cells were becoming white cells and not allowing the red cells and therefore haemoglobin to be produced, which is why my hb was so low. It looks like you have had the same reaction but to excessive platelets. Once you start taking a TKI, that normalises your blood and you begin to produce all the blood cells in the required quantities again which is why your hb is now rising nicely (and you’re likely feeling much better!). Think of it as your body isn’t in overdrive producing platelets, so now you have capacity to produce the red cells again.

Your spleen was likely enlarged due to excessive platelets and the filtering of the dead cells. For me again it was White cells that were excessive and caught in my spleen, but as soon as the TKI’s normalised my blood my spleen decreased to normal as it wasn’t having to harbour so many cells.

As for LDH, that was actually how I was flagged up as having something wrong with me in the first place. A blood test for something else showed it was raised. It was very high and it is a non specific marker of tissue damage. It’s an enzyme given off by cell death and can be an indicator for a whole host of problems, not just cancer, and for people with CML, LDH is likely elevated especially if blood counts are all over the place. As long as CML is the cause of the elevated LDH then it should drop as blood counts normalise and is a good marker as to whether treatment is working as expected. It is not however the only way the disease should be monitored. It’s a useful tool for working out if more in depth investigation is needed. I’ve not had FISH tests but had several PCR tests and you need to find out if you have had either done yet, plus you will need at least the PCR going forward.

Finally, as for not knowing how early you have caught the disease, no one knows for sure how long they have had it. You know what phase you are in and Chronic phase is where you ‘want’ to be but you could have been in that for years without knowing.

You need to ask your specialist a few questions about how you are being monitored but your initial results are encouraging with a return to normal blood counts. That’s the first goal, after that it’s essential more in depth analysis is done. I’d say so far so good, but ask questions and if you aren’t happy ask for a second opinion. The fact it’s raised platelets and not white cells is a completely new one on me though.

I’ve used this site to help with questions and worries and I’m sure i’ll be asking questions again soon as I’ve had other issues in relation to reactions to medication. I’ve found most of the answers just by searching old threads which is great as someone has generally dealt with what another person has, even if it’s quite rare.