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How long do you normally wait for a PCR- and/or FISH test result?

My doctor told me it’s going to take 3-4 weeks.

Is that for both? Or is the PCR normally quicker, and you have to wait for FISH because they have to grow cells etc.?

I find it a bit mentally stressfull just waiting, particularly since it’s early days for me (this is the 6 month test), and not everything has been perfect so far (BCR-ABL dropped significantly but not quite to below 10% at 3 months, and I’ve had to take two Imatinib breaks so far because of low Thrombocytes and Neutrofilia).

If I ask maybe they could at least give me the PCR result now (it’s been 1 1/2 weeks)?

Q-PCR testing timelines depend on the lab where your sample is tested. Generally, 3-4 weeks is not an unusual amount of time to wait for Q-PCR results in the UK.

As you are so newly diagnosed waiting for test results creates a lot of anxiety. However, a Q-PCR test is a very sensitive test and is quite complex to perform, as opposed to FISH/cytogenetics which only tests from 50 to 200 cells. Given you say your 3mth results were not quite at <10% I assume it was pretty near that percentage?  A good response at 3mths is considered to be at/< 35% Ph+ or at/< 10% BCR/ABL.

Try not to focus too much on achieving optimal goals outlined in ELNet Recommendations and/or NCCN Guidelines. Many of us have taken longer to reach these goals/milestones but have gone on to respond very well to TKI therapy and have reached the recommended goal eventually.

You may find it helpful to read our booklet about PCR testing - see below for a snippet from the booklet: Q-PCR testing

Qualitative PCR (NOTE: this kind of PCR test confirms whether you have or do not have the BCR/ABL gene and therefore have Ph+CML)
The polymerase chain reaction qualitative test is used to diagnose Ph+CML by confirming whether or not BCR-ABL1 gene transcripts (copies) are present in a blood and/or bone marrow sample. It can detect very small amounts of BCR-ABL1, even when the Philadelphia chromosome is not detected in bone marrow cells with cytogenetic testing.


FISH: Fluorescence in situ hybridization
A more sensitive method than cytogenetics, testing upwards of 50 to 200 cells. FISH uses probes labelled with fluorescent dyes which ‘light up’ the fused BCR-ABL1 gene sequence. Fluorescent probes are sections of single strands of DNA complementary to the specific portions of the DNA of interest, in this case, the ABL1 and BCR-ABL1 genes. When slides are examined using a special microscope, the genes that match the DNA probe appear as bright spots on a dark background. The test determines the percentage of cells in a sample containing the BCR-ABL1 gene. It can be used on either blood or bone marrow samples without the need to culture the cells, so results are available more quickly than with conventional cytogenetics.

Quantitative Reverse Transcriptase Polymerase Chain Reaction (QRT-PCR): What the test measures and its relationship to other tests.

At diagnosis, virtually every white cell in a blood or marrow sample will be leukaemic (Ph+) so the result should, in theory, be 100% Ph+.

However, because there are higher levels of Ph+ cells present at diagnosis, q-PCR testing is not accurate, which is why Ph positivity varies between 50% and 100%. This test may be used to establish a baseline value of Ph+ cells at diagnosis.

After the start of therapy, Q-PCR is used at specific time points after cytogenetic/FISH tests.

Once tests show that the Ph+ cell population has reduced to less than 10%, Q (quantitative) PCR testing can more accurately quantify the amount of residual disease left in the marrow.

The goal of TKI therapy is to reduce the abnormal BCR-ABL1 gene to a deep molecular level, preferably to at least 0.1% (MMR/MR3).
During the first 3, 6, 9 and 12 months of therapy, Ph+ cells should reduce significantly.

When the level of Ph+ cells falls below 1% Q-PCR testing is extremely accurate and will be used to monitor the stability of a molecular response.

Under ideal conditions, this test (quantitative PCR) can detect 1 Ph+ cell in every 100,000 cells, although more commonly it detects 1 Ph+ cell in every 10,000.

I hope this reassures you,

Sandy

Thank you, Sandy.  It is wonderful to see correctly referenced work with ample authority. I will need to study this booklet very carefully. Your posting came at the right time for me.

Kind regards, Stephen.

 

Hi Stephen

This is not relevant to you right now as a newly dx patient but it may be useful to you later.  

I have 3 monthly PCR tests done at my local hospital. To avoid the long wait  I have my blood taken at my GP practice 3 weeks before my clinic phone appt.and it is posted to the hospital lab. My haematologist emails me the results - usually about 2 weeks after the blood has been taken and then we discuss the results on the phone. However I was dx 9 years ago and am hoping to go treatment free next year.

The wait between having the blood taken at one hospital appt and the results being given to us 3 months later at the next appt I didn't like so we came up with this idea which has worked very well for the past year.

Waiting for results is always stressful - even for me now with such low levels. There is always that nasty niggling worry! You are certainly not alone.

Best wishes,

Chrissie

I love all this help and the little ideas. Thank you, Chrissie. I am learning quickly.

For the moment, I am being treated like Royalty. I pop into the newly opened haematology unit in Solihull thirty minutes before my appointment and have my simple blood tests completed immediately. The unit is set in the middle of a garden as a separate little building from the main hospital. I have read that the Black Sabbath guitarist, Tony Iommi (who I had previously not heard of) is the patron and had a leading hand in its setup. There really are some very good people in the world:

https://solihullobserver.co.uk/news/solihull-hospitals-new-chemotherapy-...

 

 

 

 

Ok, I thought maybe they had machines for that and that PCR-analysis was quick.

It was apparently important that I took the samples in the afternoon so it could go fresh with a transport to the lab that does the analysis. So I thought maybe the PCR analysis was made already the same day?

If 3-4 weeks seems normal for a quantitative PCR result then there is not much to do other than wait.

Thanks for your response Sandy.